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Dan Barker

Dan Barker:

Free Will Explained Live

Dan Barker is talking about free will(based off of his new book) at morehead state!

You’re welcome to watch 🙂

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Irrational

How can you find it irrational or unnacceptable for us to believe that the universe just exists, but its totally rational and acceptable to believe a god/gods just exist…

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My opinion on the bible…

I just answered an anon question that told me(didnt really ask anything) that the bible doesnt promote violence against woman.

I explained why I disagreed.

HOWEVER-

I want to be clear and reiterate that I am not anti-theist nor am I anti-christian. I support a christians right to be a christian and would never look down on them for it.

Religion is a tool. There are many versions of the bible. Just because I see cruelty within a piece of a religion doesnt mean I find the religion itself cruel. It all depends on how people use it.

envinoveritas: theoutatheist: Christianity vs atheism which ones easier? It seems to me both side…

envinoveritas:

theoutatheist:

Christianity vs atheism which ones easier?

It seems to me both side have this idea that the other chooses their side because its “easier” – the thing is, if youre a good person, they’re both hard.

Atheism and christianity have hard aspects and beautiful benefits.

Christians often get the gift of certainty(“gods plan” “its meant to be”) even when bad stuff is happening. They get the gift of forgiveness (whether or not the other parties involved forgive you, “god forgives all”). Finally they often have a lack of responsibility(they can place it all on their god).

Now almost all christians get these rewards of christianity, but only bad people abuse them. (ex. Someone doing horrible things and then claiming god forgives them)

A good person who is also christian will have to struggle with personal forgiveness/conscious, and following all the “rules” of their religion.

Atheism has rewards too. No universal/all knowing good and bad. Control. And ability to take full credit for anything you do. Less shame.

A bad person who is an atheist will use this to believe they can do no wrong, it doesnt exist, there is no great devine punishment.

However a good person who is an atheist also struggles with the fact that if there is no god and no plan it is up to us. We get the full credit of our good actions but also the full credit of our bad actions.

Honestly the question isn’t which path is easier or harder, its whether life is easy or hard. For good people its hard.

(all that said, good people do recieve some of rewards without abusing them)

Which path is “right” is a totally different and more complex discussion.

It’s interesting that the author here relates goodness and truth. How does he do this? There is respectively a religious believer (Christian) and a non-religious unbeliever (atheist). He cites two examples of people with a Christian worldview who we can say is either (a) morally virtuous (”a good person”) or (b) morally vacuous (”a bad person”). Similarly, there is an individual with an atheist worldview who is either (a) or (b).

The author here makes assumptions about the beliefs of both individuals. I accept none of these assumptions. First, he claims that the religious believer has the “gift of certainty.” What does he mean by this? He says “God’s plans” and “It’s meant to be” but I don’t readily see how that relates to certainty about something. Maybe he can clarify. 

Second, he claims that the religious believer has the gift of forgiveness. This is actually a point where the author is correct and yet doesn’t see it forecefully for himself. There is no real power for forgiveness vertically (”top-down”), of course only horizontally (”bottom-up,” “across”). Forgiveness is one moral construct among many, not a salvific state received. 

Third, the author claims that the religious believer has a lack of responsibility. This point is just stupid and unjustified because I, personally to say the least, have never met or heard of a Christian who abandons personal responsibility because he has acquired a belief in God. A brief walkthrough the doctrine of prayer would mop up this poor understanding. 

You seem to have entirely missed the message of the post. 

Firstly, I was not, in any way, talking strictly about a specific person or a specific set of beliefs. Both atheism and Christianity are EXTREMELY broad umbrella terms, in no way was I talking about “individuals”- I was giving examples of possible beliefs from both parties. — I emphasized this with my use of the term “often”, I used it to specifically show I did not mean “Always” or “all christians”.

There was no assumptions made. I was not talking individuals or specific belief system, they were examples of a broad array of beliefs. I’m sorry to say that your personal experience with Christians does not mean the beliefs/actions/use of those beliefs I exemplified do not exist.

You seem to be putting your personal, specific beliefs as if I was talking about those directly(for example, you explained YOUR belief on how forgiveness works, however the way you see it is not how all people or even all Christians see it). Again this post wasn’t about a very specific system of beliefs it was a comparison of the broad titles.

You then claimed that my point about responsibility and is “stupid and unjustified” based on your personal experiences. With the risk of sounding too rudimentary all I’m going to say is that you have not met every existing christian and reiterate that “Christian” is an extremely broad umbrella title.  

You are talking about YOUR understanding of Christianity and how I am wrong based off of that, however I am talking about Christianity as a whole. There was an estimated 43,000 different denominations of Christianity in 2012 – I wouldn’t doubt that it has gone up since then- and that’s not counting individuals who identify as “Christians” but don’t participate in organized religion so they have their personal altered beliefs on what “Christianity” is.

What you’ve seemed to have missed is that the message of this post was NOT about which belief/stance is best. It was about how regardless of your stance, life is hard when you’re a good person and easier when you’re a bad one.

 If you act with little regard to your behavior and you use your beliefs/stance to justify it (which the examples in my post clearly show, it can be done by both sides) then life is going to be “easier”. 

This was a religion positive post, yet you treated it like an attack on your specific brand of Christianity. 

As for assumptions, I am a “she”. 

Good-life to you!

“If you can’t do your job, find another one”

I’ve said it a million times, but it has come to my attention that some believe I don’t support religious accommodation.

I support religious freedom and the right to beliefs – I may not support your beliefs, but I do support your right to have them. 

The thing is accommodations that don’t affect their job should be allowed. 

Allowing them accommodations in the dress code, or certain days off for their religious holidays (however I feel secular holidays should be held to the same standards, but that’s a different discussion) is fine. 

It’s when they start refusing to do their job or certain aspects of their job that I have a problem with (especially when those refusals apply to people of different beliefs/life styles)

So I say again:

If you can’t do your job, you need to find another job.

Dear theists,

The assumptions are really bothering me. I get it, you believe in a god(or multiple) and that is fine, but please stop assuming everyone else does too. 

When you see a post about someone struggling and you don’t know their religion please try to refrain from religious comments. I get that you’re just trying to be kind, and I’m not trying to attack you for it, but its not helpful to someone who isn’t religious. 

Why do you say “God is on your side” instead of “you’ll get through this”
Why do you say “God will keep you strong” instead of “You are strong and you’ll be okay”

Even if you believe that a god is the one doing it for them its just respectful to leave your religion out of comfort that is for them (Unless you know that they too share similar beliefs, that is totally different).

This isn’t just for atheists, its for atheists, agnostics, deists, polytheists, and anyone else who doesn’t share similar beliefs.

It’s about respecting other people. 

Support doesn’t have to be theistic–

 Thanks, TOA

NOT ALL ATHEISTS ARE ANTI THEISTS OR ANTI RELIGIOUS

On the same note, not all theists hate/actively fight atheists ✌

Question for Christians:

For those of you who believe that all sin is equal I wonder, if you were put into a position where you either had to harm another or lie, which do you do?
How do you know which is right?
Lying is a sin, but so is doing harm upon another human…
And if all sins are equal does it truly matter which you do?

*disclaimer: as always this is NOT an attempt to belittle or attack Christians it is pure curioisity*

If I am wrong…

Even if I was proven wrong and there was a god, I still wouldnt regret living my life the way I did.

If you were proven wrong and there was[n’t] a god, would you have any regrets?

The USA is not a Christian nation.

Claiming it as one is extremely UN-american. 

First and foremost we do NOT have a national religion. 

Our constitution not only leaves religion out, but directly states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
ITS LITERALLY THE FIRST LINE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

But if that isn’t enough to convince you that America is founded on religious freedom and not Christianity then why don’t we go back even before the constitution. Yes, we’re going to go further back than 1789 – more than 100 years earlier. 

1620, the Mayflower, Pilgrims, among the first to colonize here- they came to “the new world” on the Mayflower to practice religious freedom. They were followed a decade later(1630) by the Puritans who also came to be free from religious persecution

The United States is not a Christian nation and it certainly was not founded on Christianity- It was founded by religious freedom, and it is that freedom that ALLOWS You to be Christians, it allows me to be an atheist, and it allows everyone else to believe whatever they believe. To claim otherwise is NOT american, it completely undermines everything we stand for

We are a free nation.