Category: theist

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Guys Im taking a break!

There might be the occasional post on here, but its not going to be as often as normal.

Hopefully I will come back to it reenergized, but four years in Im feeling a little drained by it.

See you soon?

My beliefs are not yours to judge.

eloquenceandempathy:

When did religion become such a controversial topic? As each day goes by, more and more people are afraid to speak up about what they believe in… Society has made us think that by professing our love for God, we are committing a social faux pas… When did it become unacceptable for us to stand up and say that we love God? Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights even states “Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change their religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest their religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.” So when were we robbed of this fundamental human right!? At the same moment when religion became something that is frowned upon… Regardless of one’s religion, we should all be able to exercise the right to freedom of religion and expression… But also to the freedom of speech! We should have the right to say what we want, when we want, where we want and to whomever we want… But society has made us afraid. Afraid to speak our minds and express ourselves… I say that enough is enough! I WILL NOT hide my religion, or choose not to speak of it, just to abide by society’s standards… Just because I am religious, does not mean that I’m not a “free thinker”… Just because I love God, it does not mean that I can not love anybody else… Just because Jesus is my Lord and Saviour, DOES NOT mean that I am fanatical or extreme in my religious views… And just because I choose to express my religion, my love for God, and extreme gratefulness for Jesus’ sacrifice for humanity, DOES NOT mean that society can judge me or my decisions, beliefs and thoughts in ANY WAY. I will express my religion however I wish, despite societal pressure towards the contrary… I am not afraid.

1. You’re absolutely right you shouldnt be attacked for your beliefs. You have every right to your beliefs, and unless we know the specific implications of your specific beliefs we cant decide to treat you differently for exercising your right.

2. Im super happy you referenced the UDHR because so many people dont know about it and im actively trying to fix that.

3. Secular individuals(and those in minority religions) have been attacked for their beliefs for basically ever. That is not a “our problem is worse than yours” thing, its more of, since you(you and whoever reads op and feels and relates) have experienced this maybe it will be easier to have compassion for those of differing beliefs. Secular individuals have been marginalized and legally persecuted for so long. Constantly fighting for their right to be. I’m hopeful(even though no one should experience it) that since you’ve experienced this, it will help develop more allies. Understanding and shared experiences can do wondrous things.

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Florida, Arkansas, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Virginia, Pennsylvania

“In God we trust” Is being promoted or forced onto public school walls.

8 states are supporting the marginalization of non-theist, polytheist, and monotheists who believe in a goddess rather than a god.

“These godly postings exclude and alienate the one-in-five students in our public schools who do not believe in god. And they’re meant to.These laws are not about patriotism, they’re about turning believers into insiders, and nonbelievers into outsiders. There’s nothing patriotic in undermining our nation’s secular Constitution.

-Freedom From Religion Foundation

Please speak out about this!

You have a voice, USE IT.

https://ffrf.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=875516bd36f33f4d358b8e1b3&id=78f24f4750&e=a1a7ba73a3

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I do not hate your “god”.

Chances are, I am not even aware of your specific god.

Even if you’re a ‘Christian’ chances are the “god” you believe in and the god your ‘Christian’ neighbor believes in is not the same.

Yes, I know about a lot of different religions and a lot of different gods(goddesses as well), but with so many different religions, sects, interpretations, and individualized understandings~ its just not possible for me to be aware of every god that every theist believes in.

So no, I don’t hate your god. I’m not angry at your god.

I might be angry at the way some people use the concept of theism in order to do/justify harm.

I might be upset at the way certain churches systematically oppress large groups of people(from gender to race to beliefs).

But no, I have never hated your god.

I have never had A N Y feelings about any god, and I never will.

I simply don’t think they exists (no, not even yours).

Its hard to have emotions towards something you think is nonexistant…

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Believing in and worshipping a “god” is not the same thing…

You can believe something exists without dedicating your life to it or following its words.

When I say that “even if a god existed I would not worship it” I am not saying that if you provided evidence of a god that I would still deny its existance~ Im saying that an existing god doesnt recieve my dedication or submission to its declarations (if in this hypothetical situation im given the choice) simply for existing.

If someone provided evidence I would happily accept that a god exists.

But I wont worship that god or follow a specific religion just because a god exists.

Further more, no one has provided that evidence.

vampiregirl2345: theoutatheist: vampiregirl2…

vampiregirl2345:

theoutatheist:

vampiregirl2345:

just-aspie:

vampiregirl2345:

theoutatheist:

vampiregirl2345:

theoutatheist:

vampiregirl2345:

theoutatheist:

vampiregirl2345:

theoutatheist:

He’s not owning everyone, he used the same “artist argument” that has been tore down 100x ~ and the argument actually goes both ways.

Is it more ridiculous to think that the universe came to be on its own(via the big bang and expansion, both of which we have evidence backing) or that an all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent god (that we cant prove) came to be on its own and then created the universe?

The way i explain it is this: everything has an opposite. Ive encountered demons before. They suck, but luckily the ones i encountered got bored quickly when we proved difficult to spook. If demons exist, theres an opposite. Good and evil. Angels. Now, angels and demons both gotta come from somewhere. Most of them are true immortal spirits (meaning they were never “alive” in the human sense). So thus heaven and hell. Now, who rules them? Thus God and the Devil. Bam.

If that works for you than great, but thats not exactly proof or evidence. Its not enough to actually claim there is a god.

First and foremost you would have to define demon, what form it took, etc. Then you would have to provide evidence that there was no other possible explanation for besides “demonic activity”. Not to mention the terms angels and demons may be tied to theology, but calling something those terms does not make the “thing” theological.

So, even if demons existed that does not mean angels do, but lets go with this claim that everything NEEDS an opposite.

If angels and demons did exist they dont necessarily have to come from a god, just like humans dont. You would have the same difficulty proving a god created angels and demons as you would a god created humans. Proof of angels and demons would not prove a heaven and hell.

“Most of them are true immortal spirits”- how do you know this? Where does this statement come from? Whats the evidence of that?

Again- if this is just your personal thoughts that your sharing thats great(and im sorry for picking at it), but if youre trying to say that this is why a ‘god does exist’ then im here to tell you its extremely flawed.

*note I responded because it seemed like you were trying to make a point of it since OP was about “owning every atheist~ again Im sorry if that wasnt your intention*

Most of the time, people cant exactly “describe” the spirits that are bothering them. But i have seen pretty odd ones. My family has also, on the opposite end, experienced whats known as a guarian angel. So both exist, as an opposite to what the other represents. Demons are bringers of chaos, angels are bringers of peace. But unlike the omnipotent being that is God, they are supposedly not above making mistakes (the so-called fallen angels are a good example). Heaven and hell without a king, or at least someone to keep order, would be anarchy.

So what youre saying is that you dont have any evidence at all. That your way of explaining it to yourself is 100% based on unproven personal experience and further connections that you havent explained how you know and therefore does not apply to anyone but you?

Which is fine, you have the freedom of thought and belief. If that makes sense to you, thats wonderful… For you.

No one else. Your explaination applys to no one else.

Theres plenty of stories like mine on opposite ends of it. Ill post an example of a true miracle.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miracle-baby-thrown-from-car-survives-horrific-crash-unscathed/

This baby should have DIED but didnt. Even a grown adult wouldnt normally survive being thrown 35 feet in a wreck like that, but an 8mo baby survived with only a few relatively minor injuries (cuts and bruises).

That is not proof or angels or a god.

All youve proven is that in EXTREMELY rare cases a baby can survive a horrific crash like that.

“Normally” being the key word. Its not the “norm” but that doesnt mean its supernatural.

I dont think you quite understand what evidence is.

As for other people having stories like yours; like yours, their stories are not backed by evidence. If you know of one that is, please share it.

Theres about a hundred stories of miracles available on the internet. But linking them all to prove a point is outright ridiculous. Goodbye.

@theoutatheist The ‘evidence’ you want cannot be provided yet, but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. It used to be believed that evil spirits caused sickness before we understood the science behind diseases, that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the cause all along. Sometimes unexplainable things happen that are beyond science’s ability to explain.

We cannot prove to you the existence of a God, but you cannot disprove the existence of God either. Where is your proof that He doesn’t exist?

There isn’t anything that is currently at the disposal of modern day science that can prove or disprove the existence of God. Plus, it is outside the realm of science. Science is about understanding the workings of the natural world around us. That is the great misnomer, that if science doesn’t prove it, it doesn’t exist. There are plenty of things that science doesn’t cover and even more that it doesn’t try to. Your undying belief in science is more fallible than someone’s personal experience. Science is, as a matter of fact, a collection of personal experiences that can be repeated.

But there is always a margin of error. Sometimes science doesn’t explain what happened. People are in comas that shouldn’t be. People wake up from comas that shouldn’t. People live who should die and die that should live. When you can explain everything that is currently unexplainable in the universe (past and present), then you can prove that God does or doesn’t exist. Until then neither of us can say one way or another. Your disbelief in God is just as founded as my belief in God.

@theoutatheist

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/15/city-sodom-discovered-archeological-find-gives-insight-into-story-destruction.html

This is quite possibly one of the most concrete examples of bible stories come to life. Hows that? Scientists tried and failed repeatedly to explain why both cities were destroyed with no warning. Theyre too far apart for one city, should a building catch fire, to destroy the other. Theyre too far from the nearest volcano to catch fire from that. Etc. More to the point is the pattern and type of destruction. As if both cities just…combusted suddenly. Kaboom. Leveled. No physical evidence to explain why. Sodom and gamorrah are just one bit of proof that the bible is a history text, not myth. Chew on that.

The bible has multiple authors, multiple translations, and multiple edits. Even if one story was true in it that would not make it a historical text.

However, a lack of explaination does not mean the bible is correct.

You’d need evidence confirming that it was what the bible said happened. And even then, again, that proves one story in the bible.

Even if a god exists, I can say with certainty that the bible is not 100% accurate. Yes, certainty, why? Because it contradicts itself, its different translations contradict eachother, and the different edits ESPECIALLY contradict eachother. It proves that at the very least(though likely more) its inaccurate. The bible itself shows its inaccuracy.

You have not provided evidence that a god exists, just that there are things we havent explained yet.

Again, I support your right to believe, but dont tell other people to or talk about it like its fact. Its not fact. Its a belief based on your personal opinions and understandings.

Theres a reason no one listens to atheists and this is it. Throwing concrete evidence back in my face in the name of “science”. Science isnt absolute. Literally everything is a theory thats tested and tested again. Sometimes results contradict each other. And guess what? Science only exists for the concrete. But theres so much thats abstract. Just because you cant see something, doesnt mean it isnt real. Especially if theres evidence. You cant see air but no one is suffocating. We arent even close to exiting our little corner of the galaxy but that doesnt mean there isnt intelligent life on other planets. You cant claim something as not real just because we havent invented a way of “proving” it.

You have not provided any evidence and certainly not “concrete evidence”.

Gas is 100% observable (air). You can see it move leaves. You can see vapor. You can see it when its cold. You can feel it. And thats without even getting into a molecular level.

Unlike a god that you have NOT provided evidence for. Maybe you need a better understanding of what evidence is.

And for the record, I never once said a god doesnt exist. I never said it was an impossibility. If you go through every single response yoy will not see “god isnt real”, because it was never said. I said that its not a fact and that your “explaination” and “examples” did not make it fact. You are the one making a claim here, not me. The thing about making a claim, is you have to back it up with real evidence(yes, proof) before it can be a fact.

Unlike air, which we have real evidence for, your belief in a god is not a fact. Its a belief and nothing more.

Im sorry if that upsets you, but its the truth.

vampiregirl2345: theoutatheist: He’s not own…

vampiregirl2345:

theoutatheist:

He’s not owning everyone, he used the same “artist argument” that has been tore down 100x ~ and the argument actually goes both ways.

Is it more ridiculous to think that the universe came to be on its own(via the big bang and expansion, both of which we have evidence backing) or that an all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent god (that we cant prove) came to be on its own and then created the universe?

The way i explain it is this: everything has an opposite. Ive encountered demons before. They suck, but luckily the ones i encountered got bored quickly when we proved difficult to spook. If demons exist, theres an opposite. Good and evil. Angels. Now, angels and demons both gotta come from somewhere. Most of them are true immortal spirits (meaning they were never “alive” in the human sense). So thus heaven and hell. Now, who rules them? Thus God and the Devil. Bam.

If that works for you than great, but thats not exactly proof or evidence. Its not enough to actually claim there is a god.

First and foremost you would have to define demon, what form it took, etc. Then you would have to provide evidence that there was no other possible explanation for besides “demonic activity”. Not to mention the terms angels and demons may be tied to theology, but calling something those terms does not make the “thing” theological.

So, even if demons existed that does not mean angels do, but lets go with this claim that everything NEEDS an opposite.

If angels and demons did exist they dont necessarily have to come from a god, just like humans dont. You would have the same difficulty proving a god created angels and demons as you would a god created humans. Proof of angels and demons would not prove a heaven and hell.

“Most of them are true immortal spirits”- how do you know this? Where does this statement come from? Whats the evidence of that?

Again- if this is just your personal thoughts that your sharing thats great(and im sorry for picking at it), but if youre trying to say that this is why a ‘god does exist’ then im here to tell you its extremely flawed.

*note I responded because it seemed like you were trying to make a point of it since OP was about “owning every atheist~ again Im sorry if that wasnt your intention*

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slipperyslopesblog:

sophisticatesophia:

theoutatheist:

You don’t need religion to have morals.
You don’t need a deity to have strength.
You don’t need a church to be charitable.
You don’t need theistic faith to make it through the day.

You are NOT broken.

You are whole.

You are enough.
 

*note if one of the things above help you, that’s wonderful this is a reminder that it isn’t a necessity.*

Just a short response to your third point. You don’t need a church but you do need a faith. 

(According to Barna Research Group 2007 updated 2012) Both “No-Faith” and “Active Faith” groups were equally “likely to think of themselves as good citizens, as placing their family first, as being loyal and reliable individuals, as preferring to be in control, and as being leaders,” and they reported comparable personal difficulties including serious debt and addiction. However, additional results show that there are some significant differences:

  • “No-Faith” individuals are less likely than active-faith Americans to be registered to vote (78% versus 89%)
  • They are less likely than active-faith Americans to describe themselves as “active in the community” (41% versus 68%)
  • They are less likely than active-faith Americans to personally help or serve a homeless or poor person (41% versus 61%).
  • They are less likely than active-faith Americans to volunteer to help a non-church-related non-profit (20% versus 30%)
  • The typical no-faith American donated just $200 to charitable causes in 2006, more than seven times less than the amount contributed by the typical active-faith adult ($1500).
  • Even subtracting church-based giving, active-faith adults donated twice as many dollars to charitable causes last year than atheists and agnostics.
  • 22% of “no-faith” adults failed to contribute any personal funds to charitable causes in 2006, compared to only 7% of active-faith adults.
  • Atheists and agnostics were more likely to be focused on acquiring wealth than Christians (10% versus 2%)
  • No-Faith adults embrace the description or perception of being “at peace,” less than Christians (67% versus 90%)
  • Atheists and agnostics are more likely to feel stressed out (37% versus 26%).

Many of these statistics seem to indicate that, despite claims to the contrary, atheism on the whole does in fact tend to be less family oriented, less involved in the community and civics, and less compassionate and generous. As such, they lend some credibility to the notion that at least some kinds of morality or magnanimity require a foundation in Faith.

Also interesting is the fact that since only 1/5 of the “No-Faith” group are unequivocal in their rejection of the existence of God and adopting the label “Atheist,” the vast majority harbor doubts about their rejection of faith.

Also, Christian charity far surpasses giving of any other sector in the United States. Think about all of the Christian Hospitals, orphanages, adoption agencies, women’s centers, community centers, international relief, disaster relief, Christian Schools, after school programs, scholarships, colleges and Universities. Lets not forget advances in medicine, the arts, music, paintings, sculpture, architecture and the sciences,

I am sure there are some very good atheist hospitals and atheist adoption agencies, some great atheist founded colleges and tons of atheistic disaster relief organizations, but I have never heard of them.

Bottom line is that you can paint Christians in any color you want but if you scratch the surface, you will find caring, loving, generous people. These are not the monsters you wish they were. The truth is we love all of mankind and pray that all come to a fully knowledge of God. In love.    

Just a note. I am agnostic, but have a healthy respect for Christian people. Most athiests I know are just shits of another religion, who have as much of an agenda as the guys who knock on my door trying to convince me of their way. My note to atheists: I don’t care if you worship a “not-god”, keep your fucking bullshit, and often communistic ideology to yourself.

I dont know how I missed this one, but your “note to atheists” only shows that your understanding of atheism is limited to stereotypes.

(“I dont care if you worship a not-god” doesnt even make sense- I got from your previous statements that you’re trying to say they want to convert individuals to their ideals because their ideals are better, but that phrase alone didnt really do your post any justice.)

My question is how many atheists do you know?

Because I know hundreds and Ive met only a handful who have been truly arrogant and forceful about their atheism.

Not saying it doesnt happen, because it certainly does, but that doesnt make atheism itself a title of an arrogant and forceful atheist. The loudest and most offensive are often given the most attention. So the few gets mistaken for the whole. Thats one way stereotypes come about in the first place.

Most atheists I know arent even anti-theists. While many have no problem discussing issues brought up in religion, most still support freedom of belief and religion(despite not agreeing).

I personally have never met an atheist whose atheism was tied to communism. Again, Im not saying it cant happen, but its not a majority…

Along with that the op was not an attack on christians. In fact, christians were never mentioned. It was a positive post for individuals who are secular (like yourself), whether that be atheist, agnositc, irreligious, or any other stance. So, I dont really get where this whole “atheist vs. Christian” attitude came from(unless it was inspired by the reblog, whom Ive previously replied to).

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malloryknox616:

Atheism is Poisnous

I’d like to preface this by saying that I am not religious. I am spiritual. I am Unitarian Universalist. Basically, I believe there is a higher power, but I don’t truly know a damn thing about that higher power and never will, and I will study all the religions to find out the truth.

I don’t go to church, tho I have enjoyed it in the past. I don’t believe that “god” is contained in a building, nor explained in one single book.

I do not believe that there is some imaginary judge that is ruling over us, saving and damning people.

I believe in energy. I believe we are all made of energy. If energy is neither created nor destroyed, then there must be an afterlife of sorts, or at least reincarnation.

I believe that the world is made of energy, and bcuz of that, we can use our energy to mix with the energy of the world, to create changes that we desire. I believe that when we pray or do magick, we manipulate and focus energy to produce change.

I do believe that “god” is everywhere and in everything, that it’s not a physical entity.

Beyond that, I just read a lot and study everything from every culture and try to find common threads that suggest something might be a universal truth…

I believe that fighting over religion is pointless, bcuz we are all praying and worshipping the same higher power.

One interesting thing about religion is that the religious books written, while they all have common core sets of morals and standards, they are tailored to the area and times they were written so as to help further society.

Things such as forbidding certain foods or clothing, normally due to those things being dangerous – like, they forbid pig meat in many religions bcuz they view pigs as dirty, but there’s a strong chance it’s out of caution…in case pigs actually are dirty enough to get you sick. Also, pig meat is really unhealthy for you. It can cause cardio vascular issues and weight gain…

Not that I’m going to stop eating bacon. Hail bacon! Lol

Anyways, I digress. This article is about atheism and how it’s bad.

Firstly, on the moral standpoint, it’s really self centered and egotistical to think that there’s nothing higher than you. Whether it be on the food chain, the intelligence chain, the power scale. It’s just wrong to be so full of yourself that you think there’s nothing bigger than you. Even if you want to think it’s aliens, there is SOMETHING out there that’s above humans.

Being egotistical to that extent is poisonous, to yourself and humanity.

Secondly, there is scientific proof that we are all made of energy. To deny that is to deny science. When we start denying science, we enter a realm of insanity, bcuz without science the world falls apart.

Third, basically all religions teach a sort of moral guideline. Now, atheists can say that they create their own morals, but here’s the thing, you might pick the wrong morals that don’t fit with society. And no matter how much you want to be a rebel and not go along with society, think of how bad it would be if everyone felt that way! It would be absolute chaos.

It’s a privilege to be able to go against society with absolute freedom. Do you realize that? It’s a privilege to be able to rebel. People in third world countries, they don’t have that freedom. Not just bcuz their governments prohibit it but also bcuz they literally need to be a cohesive unit with their tribes to survive.

Look back at ancient times when there was no police or government. The tribes had to live by certain guidelines to survive and if they didn’t adhere to societal standards, they put themselves and the tribe at risk of extinction. What better way to get people to submit than to threaten them with the wrath of god?

Now, how does this fit in today? Well, society still, as a whole, would fall apart without moral guidelines. Teachings on how to be good to one another, an understanding that we are all one…

Atheists may have similar morals, but if the whole world was atheist, there would be less compassion and empathy, bcuz the majority of interconnectedness comes from people of religious or spiritual faith…

It’s like immorality is a disease and spirituality is the vaccine. If you vaccinate most of the people, the disease will be kept at bay. If you remove the vaccine from society, the disease will run rampant.

Just look at all the trouble our disconnection with a higher power has gotten us!

We’re living in a selfish, self centered world where we’re creating AI that could some day kill us, and we’re killing people of other countries, and even killing eachother.

Inb4 religion causes wars.

Yes, but people are going to find a reason to go to war no matter what. It doesn’t matter if religion was completely abolished, then we’d have less morals, and we’d probably go to war to kill eachother over race or country or resources…all of which we also war over now. It’s all about power. People are power hungry.

Spirituality and religion tries to eliminate the power, by taking power away from the individual and placing it in the hands of “god,” thus quelling our need to war for power. And I think I just had a breakthrough! That’s exactly why “god” is needed. It takes away the root of all evil. Power…

Now, I’m not trying to force anyone to believe in “god” bcuz that would be wrong. If you don’t believe there’s something out there, I’m not stopping you. That’s fine. I didn’t really go through much to cover the existence of “god” in this, so I don’t expect to convert anyone.

This is simply to say that being completely devoid of “god” or some sort of spirituality is poisonous and detrimental to both yourself and society. Even if it’s a complete load of crap in the end, do you really wanna risk it?

All of your points all include assumptions made about atheism that the title/standpoint of atheism doesn’t determine itself. They are all based on beliefs that are NOT apart of theism vs. atheism.

1. Not all atheists, not even a majority of atheists believe that there is nothing bigger than themselves. A lack of belief in a deity is not the same as believing nothing is bigger than you. The universe alone is bigger. The animal kingdom is bigger. Science itself is bigger. Communities are bigger. So on and so forth. This “egotism” that you see in atheism is not an atheistic thing. Its a total separate belief from atheism. Yes, there are egotistical atheists. There are also egotistical theists, who believe everything in the universe is for them.

2. Energy. We all have energy. There is an energy chain. No one denies this. I have never, ever, in my life heard an atheist say we dont have energy. However, how this energy works or whether or not we can manipulate in certain ways is definitely debated. As for science, science exists whether or not we believe in it. Its there. Its happening. And everything that is “science” can be proven over and over again. If we lost every peice of recorded scientific information we have, all of it would be regained over time.

3. Morality. Atheists and theists alike choose their morals. Not all theists share the same morals. When you choose what religion your apart of, what sect you follow, and what interpretation of that sect you believe in you end up with just as much say in your morals as an atheist. “You might pick the wrong morals that dont fit with society” so could a theist. And sometimes, its good to pick morals that dont go with society. In the days of slavery(not saying slavery doesnt currently exist, but when it was widely accepted) the people who chose to believe that all humans are equal chose a moral that didnt fit with society. Sometimes this is good sometimes this is bad.

Compassion and empathy is not only found within theism. We are the same species, we share the same needs, we share the same planet, our planet has needs. Compassion and empathy comes from that understanding. Not from a threat of the wrath of a god. Not from a concept that a god made us. Empathy and compassion come from understanding, and you certainly can find understanding without theism.

“Im not trying to force you to be a theist, Im just saying atheism is poisonous to you and society” You dont want to change us, you just want to claim we’re wrong.

Yet, every reason why you think atheism is poisonous can be found in theism as well. This is not a theist vs. atheist debate, this is entirely about beliefs and circumstances separate from atheism and theism.

Regular

What a great start to the morning!

According to my inbox this morning, I am a communist and atheism is the cause of bullying, fighting, and school shooters, due to separation of church and schools.

So here it is:

Atheism defines one belief/one stance on a belief. An atheist doesnt believe or lacks belief in deitys. All deitys…

That is the only belief it defines.

If other atheists(say Karl Marx) hold other beliefs then those are one atheists ideals, not atheistic ideals.

Now onto school violence-

I began this argument with pointing out that a majority of violent offenders and school shooters were raised christian.

The person in my inbox then said that that means nothing, you can be raised christiand and never believe in the ideals/be truly spiritual(I agree, I also agree that christianity is not connected to violence in schools~ I was making a point)

So I said, youre right, being around christianity isnt enough, so how would forcing schools to be christian be enough to stop the violence?

How would discriminating and oppressing irreligious, secular, and minority religious individuals STOP bullying and violence?