Category: theists

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I do not hate your “god”.

Chances are, I am not even aware of your specific god.

Even if you’re a ‘Christian’ chances are the “god” you believe in and the god your ‘Christian’ neighbor believes in is not the same.

Yes, I know about a lot of different religions and a lot of different gods(goddesses as well), but with so many different religions, sects, interpretations, and individualized understandings~ its just not possible for me to be aware of every god that every theist believes in.

So no, I don’t hate your god. I’m not angry at your god.

I might be angry at the way some people use the concept of theism in order to do/justify harm.

I might be upset at the way certain churches systematically oppress large groups of people(from gender to race to beliefs).

But no, I have never hated your god.

I have never had A N Y feelings about any god, and I never will.

I simply don’t think they exists (no, not even yours).

Its hard to have emotions towards something you think is nonexistant…

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He’s not owning everyone, he used the same “artist argument” that has been tore down 100x ~ and the argument actually goes both ways.

Is it more ridiculous to think that the universe came to be on its own(via the big bang and expansion, both of which we have evidence backing) or that an all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent god (that we cant prove) came to be on its own and then created the universe?

The way i explain it is this: everything has an opposite. Ive encountered demons before. They suck, but luckily the ones i encountered got bored quickly when we proved difficult to spook. If demons exist, theres an opposite. Good and evil. Angels. Now, angels and demons both gotta come from somewhere. Most of them are true immortal spirits (meaning they were never “alive” in the human sense). So thus heaven and hell. Now, who rules them? Thus God and the Devil. Bam.

If that works for you than great, but thats not exactly proof or evidence. Its not enough to actually claim there is a god.

First and foremost you would have to define demon, what form it took, etc. Then you would have to provide evidence that there was no other possible explanation for besides “demonic activity”. Not to mention the terms angels and demons may be tied to theology, but calling something those terms does not make the “thing” theological.

So, even if demons existed that does not mean angels do, but lets go with this claim that everything NEEDS an opposite.

If angels and demons did exist they dont necessarily have to come from a god, just like humans dont. You would have the same difficulty proving a god created angels and demons as you would a god created humans. Proof of angels and demons would not prove a heaven and hell.

“Most of them are true immortal spirits”- how do you know this? Where does this statement come from? Whats the evidence of that?

Again- if this is just your personal thoughts that your sharing thats great(and im sorry for picking at it), but if youre trying to say that this is why a ‘god does exist’ then im here to tell you its extremely flawed.

*note I responded because it seemed like you were trying to make a point of it since OP was about “owning every atheist~ again Im sorry if that wasnt your intention*

Most of the time, people cant exactly “describe” the spirits that are bothering them. But i have seen pretty odd ones. My family has also, on the opposite end, experienced whats known as a guarian angel. So both exist, as an opposite to what the other represents. Demons are bringers of chaos, angels are bringers of peace. But unlike the omnipotent being that is God, they are supposedly not above making mistakes (the so-called fallen angels are a good example). Heaven and hell without a king, or at least someone to keep order, would be anarchy.

So what youre saying is that you dont have any evidence at all. That your way of explaining it to yourself is 100% based on unproven personal experience and further connections that you havent explained how you know and therefore does not apply to anyone but you?

Which is fine, you have the freedom of thought and belief. If that makes sense to you, thats wonderful… For you.

No one else. Your explaination applys to no one else.

Theres plenty of stories like mine on opposite ends of it. Ill post an example of a true miracle.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miracle-baby-thrown-from-car-survives-horrific-crash-unscathed/

This baby should have DIED but didnt. Even a grown adult wouldnt normally survive being thrown 35 feet in a wreck like that, but an 8mo baby survived with only a few relatively minor injuries (cuts and bruises).

That is not proof or angels or a god.

All youve proven is that in EXTREMELY rare cases a baby can survive a horrific crash like that.

“Normally” being the key word. Its not the “norm” but that doesnt mean its supernatural.

I dont think you quite understand what evidence is.

As for other people having stories like yours; like yours, their stories are not backed by evidence. If you know of one that is, please share it.

Theres about a hundred stories of miracles available on the internet. But linking them all to prove a point is outright ridiculous. Goodbye.

@theoutatheist The ‘evidence’ you want cannot be provided yet, but that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. It used to be believed that evil spirits caused sickness before we understood the science behind diseases, that doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the cause all along. Sometimes unexplainable things happen that are beyond science’s ability to explain.

We cannot prove to you the existence of a God, but you cannot disprove the existence of God either. Where is your proof that He doesn’t exist?

There isn’t anything that is currently at the disposal of modern day science that can prove or disprove the existence of God. Plus, it is outside the realm of science. Science is about understanding the workings of the natural world around us. That is the great misnomer, that if science doesn’t prove it, it doesn’t exist. There are plenty of things that science doesn’t cover and even more that it doesn’t try to. Your undying belief in science is more fallible than someone’s personal experience. Science is, as a matter of fact, a collection of personal experiences that can be repeated.

But there is always a margin of error. Sometimes science doesn’t explain what happened. People are in comas that shouldn’t be. People wake up from comas that shouldn’t. People live who should die and die that should live. When you can explain everything that is currently unexplainable in the universe (past and present), then you can prove that God does or doesn’t exist. Until then neither of us can say one way or another. Your disbelief in God is just as founded as my belief in God.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/15/city-sodom-discovered-archeological-find-gives-insight-into-story-destruction.html

This is quite possibly one of the most concrete examples of bible stories come to life. Hows that? Scientists tried and failed repeatedly to explain why both cities were destroyed with no warning. Theyre too far apart for one city, should a building catch fire, to destroy the other. Theyre too far from the nearest volcano to catch fire from that. Etc. More to the point is the pattern and type of destruction. As if both cities just…combusted suddenly. Kaboom. Leveled. No physical evidence to explain why. Sodom and gamorrah are just one bit of proof that the bible is a history text, not myth. Chew on that.

The bible has multiple authors, multiple translations, and multiple edits. Even if one story was true in it that would not make it a historical text.

However, a lack of explaination does not mean the bible is correct.

You’d need evidence confirming that it was what the bible said happened. And even then, again, that proves one story in the bible.

Even if a god exists, I can say with certainty that the bible is not 100% accurate. Yes, certainty, why? Because it contradicts itself, its different translations contradict eachother, and the different edits ESPECIALLY contradict eachother. It proves that at the very least(though likely more) its inaccurate. The bible itself shows its inaccuracy.

You have not provided evidence that a god exists, just that there are things we havent explained yet.

Again, I support your right to believe, but dont tell other people to or talk about it like its fact. Its not fact. Its a belief based on your personal opinions and understandings.

Theres a reason no one listens to atheists and this is it. Throwing concrete evidence back in my face in the name of “science”. Science isnt absolute. Literally everything is a theory thats tested and tested again. Sometimes results contradict each other. And guess what? Science only exists for the concrete. But theres so much thats abstract. Just because you cant see something, doesnt mean it isnt real. Especially if theres evidence. You cant see air but no one is suffocating. We arent even close to exiting our little corner of the galaxy but that doesnt mean there isnt intelligent life on other planets. You cant claim something as not real just because we havent invented a way of “proving” it.

You have not provided any evidence and certainly not “concrete evidence”.

Gas is 100% observable (air). You can see it move leaves. You can see vapor. You can see it when its cold. You can feel it. And thats without even getting into a molecular level.

Unlike a god that you have NOT provided evidence for. Maybe you need a better understanding of what evidence is.

And for the record, I never once said a god doesnt exist. I never said it was an impossibility. If you go through every single response yoy will not see “god isnt real”, because it was never said. I said that its not a fact and that your “explaination” and “examples” did not make it fact. You are the one making a claim here, not me. The thing about making a claim, is you have to back it up with real evidence(yes, proof) before it can be a fact.

Unlike air, which we have real evidence for, your belief in a god is not a fact. Its a belief and nothing more.

Im sorry if that upsets you, but its the truth.

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Instead of searching for what a god wants from you and acting upon that, search for what a god SHOULD want from you and act it out.

What a truly righteous, morally secure, kind, loving, god should want you to do is more important than what people say their god tells you to do.

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What a great start to the morning!

According to my inbox this morning, I am a communist and atheism is the cause of bullying, fighting, and school shooters, due to separation of church and schools.

So here it is:

Atheism defines one belief/one stance on a belief. An atheist doesnt believe or lacks belief in deitys. All deitys…

That is the only belief it defines.

If other atheists(say Karl Marx) hold other beliefs then those are one atheists ideals, not atheistic ideals.

Now onto school violence-

I began this argument with pointing out that a majority of violent offenders and school shooters were raised christian.

The person in my inbox then said that that means nothing, you can be raised christiand and never believe in the ideals/be truly spiritual(I agree, I also agree that christianity is not connected to violence in schools~ I was making a point)

So I said, youre right, being around christianity isnt enough, so how would forcing schools to be christian be enough to stop the violence?

How would discriminating and oppressing irreligious, secular, and minority religious individuals STOP bullying and violence?

Public Proclaimer Ministries

So a month ago (probably longer now) a hate preacher appeared on the campus of Morehead State University. 

I planned on writing the responses of the crowd, went around and talked to an upwards of 50 people- Including a LOT of Christians, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and some undisclosed- professors, police officers, and of course students. However, after the event I made the decision not to make the post because I figured it did not need any more attention drawn to it. 

I now see my mistake. These kinds of events NEED attention drawn to them(especially after the fact, less so during). 

During this hate preachers spiel he covered everything from homosexuality being a sin, to slavery (and how white people were the reason it ended)- The most appalling thing he said was that its not rape if she doesn’t yell out or fight. That comment sent many people in to tears.
He made a blog post about his experience(the hate preacher) and explained how the crowd spent a large amount of the more than four hours he was there cussing at him, meanwhile he happened to neglect the fact that he spent the time calling the crowd “sluts” and “whores”. 

So here were the responses of the crowd: 
Only ONE person said they agreed with what he was preaching, but disagreed with how he was going about it.
Only one person opted to not share their opinion with me.
Some of the atheists I asked said that this is what made people anti-theist, others said that they were simply disgusted with the display. 
The majority of the responses I got said that it was wrong and shouldn’t be allowed on campus. 
Of every Christian I asked I got the same responses- “I believe in god, but not that god”- “He’s not reading my bible” – “God is all loving, this man is just hateful” – “That’s not Christianity as I know it” 

Regardless of belief everyone had two common statements that they all agreed upon- This is NOT the way to share your beliefs, and no one should be giving it attention. 

That second one really struck me… Nearly everyone agreed that no one should give him attention(including me) and yet we were all there standing, watching, interacting with him, talking about him. Why, if we all agreed that he shouldn’t be given attention were we all there? 

Some of us felt defensive and felt the need to stand up for their own beliefs, or for their rights as people. Some were there for entertainment- this was especially evident in those who were playing bingo with everything he said… 

In the beginning it was simply scary, the things he was willing to say and preach, the fact that he was belligerently ignoring counter points. 

Near the end it was just the crowd heckling him. 

But all the while he smiled. Whether we were fighting him or belittling him he continued to smile… 

And he’s coming back.  

I wish I could just ask people not to go and they would. But, seeing how it went last time I doubt that will happen. 

Regular

Irrational

How can you find it irrational or unnacceptable for us to believe that the universe just exists, but its totally rational and acceptable to believe a god/gods just exist…

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If you believe in god, that is amazing for you.

If you believe your god gives you the ability to “see through people” or to “see what people need” than that is your business.

If you believe no one can be content or truly happy without your god, again your business, your beliefs.

Please feel free to believe as you wish or as you see fit. I support your right to your freedom of thought and beliefs.

But please, do not, ever, tell other people what THEY feel, or claim to know what THEY go through.

That is beyond disrespectful. You are not them, you dont get to decide who they are or what they have experienced or what their perspective was when they experienced them.

Keep those kind of comments to yourself.

Don’t tear down what builds others up.

This goes for everyone. 

Lately I’ve been trying to return to positive, inspirational, encouraging posts for the irreligious/secular community. However, every time I make one I get an argument to why our position is wrong. 

It wasn’t a debate or a declaration of “correct” beliefs, it was a message to those on equal standing with similar perspectives in order to give them a little bit of light. 

I know that atheists(anti-theists, actually) have been known to do the same thing. It needs to stop. 

Stop tearing down things that build up others.  

Dear theists,

The assumptions are really bothering me. I get it, you believe in a god(or multiple) and that is fine, but please stop assuming everyone else does too. 

When you see a post about someone struggling and you don’t know their religion please try to refrain from religious comments. I get that you’re just trying to be kind, and I’m not trying to attack you for it, but its not helpful to someone who isn’t religious. 

Why do you say “God is on your side” instead of “you’ll get through this”
Why do you say “God will keep you strong” instead of “You are strong and you’ll be okay”

Even if you believe that a god is the one doing it for them its just respectful to leave your religion out of comfort that is for them (Unless you know that they too share similar beliefs, that is totally different).

This isn’t just for atheists, its for atheists, agnostics, deists, polytheists, and anyone else who doesn’t share similar beliefs.

It’s about respecting other people. 

Support doesn’t have to be theistic–

 Thanks, TOA

Re-do, is theism a religion?

My answer is still no. @clintudy claimed that all definitions of religion involve a god or supreme being, including legal definitions by the supreme court. 

First and foremost, most definitions do include a god or supreme being, but not all do. For example:
1- a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
2- a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
3- a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
4- a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons
5- the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices
6- something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience
7- any specific system of belief and worship, often involving a code of ethics and a philosophy
8- any system of beliefs, practices, ethical values, etc. resembling, suggestive of, or likened to such a system
My personal favorite(the only one not from a dictionary) is from Kile Jones’ essay on defining religion: “It is apparent that religion can be seen as a theological, philosophical, anthropological, sociological, and psychological phenomenon of human kind. To limit religion to only one of these categories is to miss its multifaceted nature and lose out on the complete definition.”

Now what your personal definition of religion is, that is totally up to you, but to claim that theism and religion is synonymous would not always be true. As for what the supreme court says here’s some info there: 

“ The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons. The religion or religious concept need not include belief in the existence of God or a supreme being to be within the scope of the First Amendment.”

“ In [the supreme court’s] 1961 decision Torcaso v. Watkins, the Court stated that the establishment clause prevents government from aiding “those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs.” In a footnote, the Court clarified that this principle extended to “religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God … Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism and others.” ” 

Ex: “Scientology—a system of beliefs that a human being is essentially a free and immortal spirit who merely inhabits a body—does not propound the existence of a supreme being, but it qualifies as a religion under the broad definition propounded by the Supreme Court.” 

And though not the supreme court a federal district court in Oregon made a ruling in 2014 that stated “The court finds that Secular Humanism is a religion for Establishment Clause purposes”

Another legal example: The U.S. Court of Appeals reversed the Tax Court’s ruling, defined the Society as a religious organization, and granted its tax exemption. (no reference of a supreme being)

The response was too long– better to make a post. So long story short, if you personally believe religion is only theistic and all theists are religious thats fine, but its not a fact. Depending on which definition you follow not all theists are religious and some atheists can be religious. 

There you have it. Religion.