Category: theists

Public Proclaimer Ministries

So a month ago (probably longer now) a hate preacher appeared on the campus of Morehead State University. 

I planned on writing the responses of the crowd, went around and talked to an upwards of 50 people- Including a LOT of Christians, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and some undisclosed- professors, police officers, and of course students. However, after the event I made the decision not to make the post because I figured it did not need any more attention drawn to it. 

I now see my mistake. These kinds of events NEED attention drawn to them(especially after the fact, less so during). 

During this hate preachers spiel he covered everything from homosexuality being a sin, to slavery (and how white people were the reason it ended)- The most appalling thing he said was that its not rape if she doesn’t yell out or fight. That comment sent many people in to tears.
He made a blog post about his experience(the hate preacher) and explained how the crowd spent a large amount of the more than four hours he was there cussing at him, meanwhile he happened to neglect the fact that he spent the time calling the crowd “sluts” and “whores”. 

So here were the responses of the crowd: 
Only ONE person said they agreed with what he was preaching, but disagreed with how he was going about it.
Only one person opted to not share their opinion with me.
Some of the atheists I asked said that this is what made people anti-theist, others said that they were simply disgusted with the display. 
The majority of the responses I got said that it was wrong and shouldn’t be allowed on campus. 
Of every Christian I asked I got the same responses- “I believe in god, but not that god”- “He’s not reading my bible” – “God is all loving, this man is just hateful” – “That’s not Christianity as I know it” 

Regardless of belief everyone had two common statements that they all agreed upon- This is NOT the way to share your beliefs, and no one should be giving it attention. 

That second one really struck me… Nearly everyone agreed that no one should give him attention(including me) and yet we were all there standing, watching, interacting with him, talking about him. Why, if we all agreed that he shouldn’t be given attention were we all there? 

Some of us felt defensive and felt the need to stand up for their own beliefs, or for their rights as people. Some were there for entertainment- this was especially evident in those who were playing bingo with everything he said… 

In the beginning it was simply scary, the things he was willing to say and preach, the fact that he was belligerently ignoring counter points. 

Near the end it was just the crowd heckling him. 

But all the while he smiled. Whether we were fighting him or belittling him he continued to smile… 

And he’s coming back.  

I wish I could just ask people not to go and they would. But, seeing how it went last time I doubt that will happen. 

Regular

Irrational

How can you find it irrational or unnacceptable for us to believe that the universe just exists, but its totally rational and acceptable to believe a god/gods just exist…

Regular

If you believe in god, that is amazing for you.

If you believe your god gives you the ability to “see through people” or to “see what people need” than that is your business.

If you believe no one can be content or truly happy without your god, again your business, your beliefs.

Please feel free to believe as you wish or as you see fit. I support your right to your freedom of thought and beliefs.

But please, do not, ever, tell other people what THEY feel, or claim to know what THEY go through.

That is beyond disrespectful. You are not them, you dont get to decide who they are or what they have experienced or what their perspective was when they experienced them.

Keep those kind of comments to yourself.

Don’t tear down what builds others up.

This goes for everyone. 

Lately I’ve been trying to return to positive, inspirational, encouraging posts for the irreligious/secular community. However, every time I make one I get an argument to why our position is wrong. 

It wasn’t a debate or a declaration of “correct” beliefs, it was a message to those on equal standing with similar perspectives in order to give them a little bit of light. 

I know that atheists(anti-theists, actually) have been known to do the same thing. It needs to stop. 

Stop tearing down things that build up others.  

Dear theists,

The assumptions are really bothering me. I get it, you believe in a god(or multiple) and that is fine, but please stop assuming everyone else does too. 

When you see a post about someone struggling and you don’t know their religion please try to refrain from religious comments. I get that you’re just trying to be kind, and I’m not trying to attack you for it, but its not helpful to someone who isn’t religious. 

Why do you say “God is on your side” instead of “you’ll get through this”
Why do you say “God will keep you strong” instead of “You are strong and you’ll be okay”

Even if you believe that a god is the one doing it for them its just respectful to leave your religion out of comfort that is for them (Unless you know that they too share similar beliefs, that is totally different).

This isn’t just for atheists, its for atheists, agnostics, deists, polytheists, and anyone else who doesn’t share similar beliefs.

It’s about respecting other people. 

Support doesn’t have to be theistic–

 Thanks, TOA

Re-do, is theism a religion?

My answer is still no. @clintudy claimed that all definitions of religion involve a god or supreme being, including legal definitions by the supreme court. 

First and foremost, most definitions do include a god or supreme being, but not all do. For example:
1- a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance.
2- a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
3- a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
4- a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons
5- the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices
6- something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience
7- any specific system of belief and worship, often involving a code of ethics and a philosophy
8- any system of beliefs, practices, ethical values, etc. resembling, suggestive of, or likened to such a system
My personal favorite(the only one not from a dictionary) is from Kile Jones’ essay on defining religion: “It is apparent that religion can be seen as a theological, philosophical, anthropological, sociological, and psychological phenomenon of human kind. To limit religion to only one of these categories is to miss its multifaceted nature and lose out on the complete definition.”

Now what your personal definition of religion is, that is totally up to you, but to claim that theism and religion is synonymous would not always be true. As for what the supreme court says here’s some info there: 

“ The Supreme Court has interpreted religion to mean a sincere and meaningful belief that occupies in the life of its possessor a place parallel to the place held by God in the lives of other persons. The religion or religious concept need not include belief in the existence of God or a supreme being to be within the scope of the First Amendment.”

“ In [the supreme court’s] 1961 decision Torcaso v. Watkins, the Court stated that the establishment clause prevents government from aiding “those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs.” In a footnote, the Court clarified that this principle extended to “religions in this country which do not teach what would generally be considered a belief in the existence of God … Buddhism, Taoism, Ethical Culture, Secular Humanism and others.” ” 

Ex: “Scientology—a system of beliefs that a human being is essentially a free and immortal spirit who merely inhabits a body—does not propound the existence of a supreme being, but it qualifies as a religion under the broad definition propounded by the Supreme Court.” 

And though not the supreme court a federal district court in Oregon made a ruling in 2014 that stated “The court finds that Secular Humanism is a religion for Establishment Clause purposes”

Another legal example: The U.S. Court of Appeals reversed the Tax Court’s ruling, defined the Society as a religious organization, and granted its tax exemption. (no reference of a supreme being)

The response was too long– better to make a post. So long story short, if you personally believe religion is only theistic and all theists are religious thats fine, but its not a fact. Depending on which definition you follow not all theists are religious and some atheists can be religious. 

There you have it. Religion. 

I’m sorry, I try to avoid picking apart religion as much as I…

I’m sorry, I try to avoid picking apart religion as much as I can, because I support freedom of belief, and I understand where most theists are coming from with their belief, but posts like this drive me crazy. 

You’re bragging about this? Talking about it like its a good thing? 

Maybe they just don’t see it… 

This post is essentially saying “My god likes to torture me until I beg him to save me.” 

This post is like the definition of an abusive relationship. It’s one thing to believe in a god, but to believe in a god that intentionally gives you too much to handle just for you to “need” him, to believe that he does that, and then to continue to worship him… I just don’t get it. 

Been meaning to find this. Most religious states are dark blue~…

Been meaning to find this. Most religious states are dark blue~ the lighter the less religious. (2016)

Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/29/how-religious-is-your-state/

spillywolf: God’s grace is bigger than all of your sin. The sacrifice of Jesus is greater than…

spillywolf:

God’s grace is bigger than all of your sin.

The sacrifice of Jesus is greater than everything you have done, will do, or haven’t done.

You will never be unforgivable. Come home.

Thanks for the E-invite, but I am home

I will carry the burden of my mistakes and of my crimes and I will learn from them. I will do better than I did before and not just accept undeserved forgiveness. I will make more mistakes and I will do more harm, but I will hold myself accountable, be held accountable by my fellow humans, and I will learn- improve- and move on. 

Some things are unforgivable, but I don’t require forgiveness. I am at home putting life first and doing my absolute best for myself and those around me. Maybe you should come home. 

*note: I wouldn’t even had responded had it not been tagged atheist and agnostic- and get over yourselves with the “atheists make posts and tag us” argument because 1. some of those posts tag you because they contain a conversation and 2. even if they are claims/attacks to get you to be an atheist since when does two wrongs make it right?*